tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8448378901591621575.post4836361429895142883..comments2023-10-31T03:44:21.678-07:00Comments on Mount and Mountain: Rami's Reply to Mike's June 3rd PostMike Smith and Rami Shapirohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12797108504119005047noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8448378901591621575.post-44516933299691459732008-06-05T19:43:00.000-07:002008-06-05T19:43:00.000-07:00This Mike. Thanks for your take on the meaning of ...This Mike. Thanks for your take on the meaning of the phrase ("The universe is unfolding just exactly as it should.". As for Paul, he seems to me to have been quite a blend: pragmatist, idealist, with a decided dash of the mystic as well. Think of his experience on the road to Damascus, and recall his "caught up to the seventh heaven" language. In any case, the state of mind/heart which enables one to release the need to control in favor or resting in God is what we need.Mike Smith and Rami Shapirohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12797108504119005047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8448378901591621575.post-49658341515261912402008-06-05T06:04:00.000-07:002008-06-05T06:04:00.000-07:00My take is that this quotation is closer to a Zen...My take is that this quotation is closer to a Zen koan than to the pragmatic Paul. Dame Julian was a mystic. This is said to be God speaking through her, expressing the mind of God, which is well beyond our understanding. I think it might be paraphrased "The universe is unfolding exactly as it should." <BR/>Another way of hearing it jumps ahead from mountain to mount, but fits so well -- "Consider the lilies of the field..."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08188498615495337738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8448378901591621575.post-41210629432374464592008-06-04T06:01:00.000-07:002008-06-04T06:01:00.000-07:00This is Mike. It's interesting how often Julian co...This is Mike. It's interesting how often Julian comes up in discussions these days. The quotation in question strikes me as being in considerable accord with the approach of the Apostle Paul. Think, for example, of Paul's conviction that all things may be taken into the hands of God and turned to some good purpose. When one believes this is so, "all will be well" makes a kind of sense.Mike Smith and Rami Shapirohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12797108504119005047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8448378901591621575.post-7773149775189471652008-06-03T22:43:00.000-07:002008-06-03T22:43:00.000-07:00Dame Julian was not a saint. She was a Benedictin...Dame Julian was not a saint. She was a Benedictine nun. That in no way diminishes her wonderfulness. That one quotation, And all shall be well... is enough all by itself.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08188498615495337738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8448378901591621575.post-24857877635612096422008-06-03T16:21:00.000-07:002008-06-03T16:21:00.000-07:00Thanks for reminding me of that quote from St. Jul...Thanks for reminding me of that quote from St. Julian, Reb Rami. I'd forgotten that she was the one who said that.<BR/><BR/>Julian was a mystic, so it makes sense to me that she was able to espouse that kind of hopeful vision. She spent a lot of time in devequt (union-with or cleaving-to God), so I can understand why her faith and hope were so powerful. Maybe our challenge is to live in the kind of expanded consciousness where we too see how "all will be well," even if we're not blessed with the kind of God-connection that some mystics inhabit.rbarenblathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10882606147795083729noreply@blogger.com